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Question: Which name do you prefer?
WarSpike - 0 (0%)
Spheres of War - 3 (100%)
Total Voters: 3

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« on: February 28, 2009, 09:41:53 AM »

As you may or may not know, a while back I asked about the games systems name and ask what people thought. Feedback was less than enthusiastic considering the material, many thought 'WarSpike' was, um, 'childish'.

I put forward the name 'Spheres of War' with the snazzy tag line by Cicero 'As you sow so will you reap' in Latin, with the play on words sow = SoW (Spheres of War). That seemed to hit the spot and the name surprisingly was not taken, so I nabbed it. I then looked for similar names and found 'sphere of war' was taken, and so I shelved the idea and put in a backorder. The backorder worked and I gained the name.

I have spheresofwar.com and the similar sphereofwar.com

This allows me to use the name without worrying about crossover and confusion, but everything has be 'WarSpike' up 'til now.

Now that I've sorted out the project structure - and that WarSpike takes of the role as the development side for 'Spheres of War' (SoW), should all references in the rules be changed over from WarSpike to Spheres of War/ SoW?

The final product is going to be called Sphere of War (as it stands, it would seem easy to assume that WarSpike is the final name of the game system and it may be confusing when everyone gets a PDF with 'Spheres of War' on the cover?)

Or should I keep them separate for licensing purposes - with WarSpike the free copy and Spheres of War only as the POD?

Would it be easier to make a clear cut on brand?

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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2009, 08:36:53 PM »

What's in a name...?  A rose by another name...

Okay, I'll stop my mangling of classics.

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Feedback was less than enthusiastic considering the material, many thought 'WarSpike' was, um, 'childish'.
I think that you're going to have to remember that this is a forum dedicated to another project, Phil, and one that you only infrequently join in on and then only partially.  (If this project was the source of the comment.)

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I have spheresofwar.com and the similar sphereofwar.com
Wonderful.  Ut sementem feceris ita metes.

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Now that I've sorted out the project structure - and that WarSpike takes of the role as the development side for 'Spheres of War' (SoW), should all references in the rules be changed over from WarSpike to Spheres of War/ SoW?
So you're essentially working along an Enterprise and an opensource development model?  Well, hopefully that will work out for you.

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Or should I keep them separate for licensing purposes - with WarSpike the free copy and Spheres of War only as the POD?
Yep.  'Fluff' text can be included to separate them.  And Warpsike isn't really out there in terms of popularity/development, so might as well do it now.

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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2009, 10:47:09 PM »

What's in a name...?  A rose by another name...
Indeed Cheesy

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Feedback was less than enthusiastic considering the material, many thought 'WarSpike' was, um, 'childish'.
I think that you're going to have to remember that this is a forum dedicated to another project, Phil, and one that you only infrequently join in on and then only partially.  (If this project was the source of the comment.)
Where did that come from?

Re-reading my post I see it could seem off due to poor wording. This wasn't a complaint, the 'considering the material was because I wanted something mature and perhaps 'classy' and WarSpike didn't hit the nail on the head. I think Luddite was one of the first to say as much, and I thank him for it!

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I have spheresofwar.com and the similar sphereofwar.com
Wonderful.  Ut sementem feceris ita metes.
Cheesy

So you're essentially working along an Enterprise and an opensource development model?  Well, hopefully that will work out for you.
Thanks (I think - are you in a sarky mood?)

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Or should I keep them separate for licensing purposes - with WarSpike the free copy and Spheres of War only as the POD?
Yep.  'Fluff' text can be included to separate them.  And Warpsike isn't really out there in terms of popularity/development, so might as well do it now.
*looks at Kage sideways*

Yeah. My thoughts entirely. I figure before I push the project on it may be a good idea to decide on the names.

I worked out the rough concept Mentality and how it relates to Psychology, which was a huge bugbear. I'm feeling a bit better now that I can see how tthe whole lot is actually going to pull together and work, and be translatable across all four spheres. Hence the sudden need to sort this out before I move onto the next bit.

What do you think? Which do you prefer?

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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2009, 10:48:38 PM »

Well, seemingly I should not have replied.  I will resist the urge to delete my responses but...

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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2009, 01:27:30 AM »

Well, seemingly I should not have replied. 
Why?

Anyway, thanks for your vote  Cheesy

Would you care to share why you chose that name?

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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2009, 10:14:14 AM »

spheres of war indicates multiple levels of gaming. a multifaceted gamingexperience.
Also, it just feels more right then warspike.

I dont particularily find warspike childish or anything, but less fitting then SoW
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2009, 10:53:25 AM »

spheres of war indicates multiple levels of gaming. a multifaceted gamingexperience.
Also, it just feels more right then warspike.

I dont particularily find warspike childish or anything, but less fitting then SoW
This is interesting, becusae I have posted this poll of Troll Forged and over there 7 have voted for WarSpike and non for Spheres of War!

It's 7-3 to WarSpike at the moment.

Maybe it's a familiarity thing? Where once you start to get invested you like the name more.

I post this link for a mock-up of the WarSpike cover I imagined for the PDF(via P2P): cover which Ed really liked (does it make you think any different?)

I happy with both tag lines, WarSpike's is 'Straight to the point'.

At the moment I'm thinking the Spheres of War may be the POD version, the full hardback premium edition and the only version I will charge for. It will be done in an illuminated manuscript style, similar to fight manuals of the middle ages and renaissance.

WarSpike may be the development version, the community version, and for hard core fans and contain the latest update and changed a lot, The SoW version will change little and be the stable version (as fitting a hardback book and the expense)

There could be a WarSpike POD version, but it would be cheap B/W and probably spiral bound. as used more as a hands on version (better than printing out a PDF and stabling it together?). It would not be a must have, the P2P'd PDF would be the same you would only by it for the binding.

Do you think two brand like this could work?

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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2009, 05:26:25 PM »

<risks it>

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Would you care to share why you chose that name?
For much the reason as Studio Colrouphobia.  It just seems less static, more dynamic movement.

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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2009, 05:56:50 PM »

For much the reason as Studio Colrouphobia.  It just seems less static, more dynamic movement.
Thanks for sharing, and I don't disagree  Wink

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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2009, 07:29:13 AM »

The cover doesn't change my opinion.

Having thought a bit more about it I think that the reason why someone might concider Warspike "childish" (though I wouldnt use that term myself) might be because of the fact that it's a name one would have gone for when one was younger.

When I was 15-18 I would have picked up Warspike based upon the name. Just like I picked up warhammer based upon the name (mostly).
Warhammer turned out to be a good deal for me, but I have waded through the crap that came into my room that I picked up because of a "cool" name.


Spheres of War- controversely- actually gives an indication of what the game is, at the same time as it is a pretty cool name (IMHO). Thus it is more in line with what I would look at today.

Warspike also, concidering what type of game it is, brings a direct link to warhammer, meaning that it is quite easy to draw paralels between the game.
This, in turn, makes me hesitant to pick up a game named warspike (warzone, warfish, wartime etc etc). I would compare the two too much. It carries alot of baggage.
Granted, Spheres of war sounds alot like Gears of War, but since we immediately know that it isn't a video-game we can get past the sensation of "must compare" pretty fast.

The fact that you can make quite intelectual wordplay with the abbreviation of Spheres of War is a plus, but nothing fundamental. Wordplay with "warspike" just doesn't get there (and the ones I can come up with are just childish, so please don't do them if you go for warspike in the end).


Wether you can have two gamelines- of course, your game, your prerogative- though I would be wondering why I would buy a book when I could get something very similar for free...
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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2009, 11:10:40 AM »

@ Studio Colrouphobia - Thanks for sharing your thought on this, and the mirror mine in many ways. I suspect Kage has similar views.

I figure that Spheres of War just sounds more fitting, and combined with a nice faux Roman look to go with the MARS system (i.e. SoW parking page) it seems well rounded.

Wether you can have two gamelines- of course, your game, your prerogative- though I would be wondering why I would buy a book when I could get something very similar for free...
Why buy it?

Short answer
Because you want it - it's that simple.

Long answer and a load of waffle
I have no interesting in trying to sell the book to those who only want the rules and to play the game. The book is more for those how want to support the project with cash and gain a collectors edition. Other fans still support the project by hosting files in their P2P share folder, so I do not begrudge them a copy, and some with not pay or help out in any way - it will not cost we to distribute so they can have it. A some can donate for the hell of it.

I think it comes down to a question of 'value' and whether you value something and what you, as a fan, are willing to do to support that which you like. However, I figure that even in poor countries they can print off the rules at school get some cheap plastic figures and play.

In many ways the P2P version is a free ad, and the people P2P it are my distributors, and those who promote it my ad men. If you like the game and want a free copy you are more than welcome, and if you want a POD version it's there for you. It's merely offering options. The reason I use P2P is because it will keep my costs down. I'm thinking about sustaining a free copy for a long time, and P2P means it will be available for as long as fans want it to be. The hardback is way off, it is not my prime concern, and will only turn up long after the free PDF is pretty much perfect (i.e. feedback has caught all the typos, and sorted out the dodgy phrasing of rules, and examples added as needed)

It's a project where fan really help out, they give me feedback and new perspectives and help in distribution and promotion all using modern technology like blogs, P2P forums are the business medium.

Instead of a business for business people playing by business rules, this way turns it on it's head and goes all out with copyleft and 'busking' (you pay after you read and enjoy the art should you choose to do so). This is the social and creative way to do things and removes big business and the old models. After all, big business only got control of art because they controlled the means of production, but right now you have a printer and DVD burner, the net, so why do you need bricks and mortar, roads and old business, to distribute it?

Seems to me that business spends money to promote, store and distribute art, that often in this day an age can be ported over to the net.

So buying the book is rally only because you want a copy, and if you don't - no harm done, and no cost to me.

I do not expect to make any money from this at all, I assume no one with buy the book or donate, so I look to make it at a minimum cost to me. This is pure risk, so I've isolated the costs and I am spending what I would on a 'hobby' (such as web host, I have a home page already on there, but also a ton of space and bandwidth so I might as well use it for something). This is not a source of income I would rely on, I don't even consider it a stream, it is purely 'fan'. All time is spare time, and I would do it anyway. If I produce something good that people enjoy - I'm happy (and my happiness is important to me  Wink )

If it goes big and I make a stack of cash from donations and book sales, I will be shocked, and probably drunk soon after with my mates, charging about town acting a fool. I very much doubt making a stack of cash though, but the mucking about is highly probable!

So, the buying of the book is all down to what you want, but not buying it will not deny you the rules and it will not endanger the project (being P2P hosted it will survive host failure, terrorist attacks and nuke blasts  Grin). I may also put up a 'goggle page' with magnet links in case of host failure, and distribute magnet links to fans to put on their site (handy if they produce Augments/ fan based works so visitors can grab the rules)

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